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= Reduction Starter = | = Reduction Starter = | ||
- | There are two types of reduction gear starter for A-series engines. The forklift starter and the cold-weather starter. | + | There are two types of reduction gear starter for A-series engines. They are used for increase torque, especially for cold weather starting. This means the starter turns slower, but apply the same horsepower. |
+ | == Hitachi Reduction Starter == | ||
+ | 1977 Canada models and 1978-up USA models used an optional [[wikipedia:Reduction gear starting motor|Reduction gear starting motor]] with increase torque for easy starting in sub-zero temperatures. This is also a good upgrade for high-compression engines. It was used in Japan market too. | ||
- | == 1977 Reduction == | + | On the B210 it requires a different right-side engine mount. |
- | 1977 Canada models and 1978-up USA models used an optional [[wikipedia:Reduction gear starting motor|Reduction gear starting motor]] with increase torque for easy starting in sub-zero temperatures. This is also a good upgrade for high-compression engines. On the B210 it requires a different right-side engine mount. | + | |
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+ | The Hitachi can be identified by the thin end plate. The Mitsubishi reduction starter uses a thick pressed steel end plate which looks like a standard starter. | ||
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- | == Forklift Starter == | + | == Mitsubishi Reduction Starter == |
+ | The Mitsubishi reduction starter motor was used in Japan market B310s. It was not used USA market. This motor has a thick drive gear casting and a thin sandwhich section in the middle (the Hitachi is made the other way: Thick sandwhich with thin drive gear casting). | ||
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[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=13253 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/13253.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20820 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20820.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20821 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20821.jpg] | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=13253 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/13253.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20820 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20820.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20821 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20821.jpg] | ||
- | [http://www.pitroad-ts.com/A-parts/starter-motor.JPG PitRoad Reduction Starter] | + | |
- | <br>[http://translate.ocn.ne.jp/LUCOCN/c3/hm.cgi/http%3a//www.pitroad-ts.com/A-parts-2/starter-motor.htm?SLANG=ja&TLANG=en&XTYPE=0 Pitroad] for 1971-1973 | + | [http://translate.ocn.ne.jp/LUCOCN/c3/hm.cgi/http%3a//www.pitroad-ts.com/A-parts-2/starter-motor.htm?SLANG=ja&TLANG=en&XTYPE=0 Pitroad] Reduction Starter |
+ | <br>http://www.pitroad-ts.com/A-parts/starter-motor.JPG | ||
+ | <br>for 1971-1973 | ||
For 1974-up utes, cut a bit of the right-side tower like this: | For 1974-up utes, cut a bit of the right-side tower like this: |
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Datsun 1200's A12 engine uses a traditional type of starter motor with a Bendix gear drive. The Aftermarket Bosch starter motor is far better the the orgiinal specification Datsun 1200 starter. The newer Datsun starter by Mitsubishi or Hitachi from B210 or B310 is good too and will fit the Datsun 1200's A12 engine.
Contents |
Identification
A-series Engine Starting motor (hitachi or mitsubishi)
- All have 9-tooth gears
- If you place the solenoid at the top (12:00 o'clock)
- The bottom bolt will be at 6:00 o'clock
- The top bolt at 1:00 o'clock
Part Numbers
B10 Hitachi (2-brush)
- 23300-18000 ASS'Y-starter HITACHI 5114-87 B10
- 23300-18005 ASS'Y-starter HITACHI 5114-87K (ISO threads) B10 interchages with 23300-18000
- 23300-H0100 ASS'Y-starter HITACHI 5114-87L B10 supercedes 5114 models
B10 Mitsubishi (3-brush)
- 23300-18010 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi MW-V1R B10
- 23300-18011 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi MW-V3R B10 interchanges with MW-V1R
- 23300-18015 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi 206-893 (ISO threads) B10 interchanges with MW models
B110 Hitachi (2-brush)
- Auto vs Manual starter are physically identical, but auto has more torque
- 23300-H0101 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-87M B110 manual transmission
- Weight: 10.1 pounds
- Torque: 6.5+ lb-ft
- Brush length: 16 mm (new), 6.5 mm (service limit)
- 23300-H3900 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-156 B110 automatic transmission
- Weight: 11.9 pounds
- Torque: 7.2+ lb-ft
- Brush length: 14 mm (new), 4.5 mm (service limit)
- Easily identifiable by the removable band on the case (bottom of this photo):
- Replaceable brushes (held in by screws)
- 1.0 KW output
B110 Mitsubishi (4-brush)
- 23300-18015 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi MW-V3R (Same as B10 part number)
- 23300-18016 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi MW-V5R (from 72-5) supercedes MW-V3R type
B210 manual transmission
- 23300-H0101 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-87M B210 A12 M/T
- 23300-H5000 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-87P B210 A12 (from 73-6) M/T
- 23300-H5001 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-160 B210 A12 (from 74-4) M/T (4-brush)
B210 Automatic transmission
- 23300-H3900 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-156 B210 A12 A/T
- 23300-H6900 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-156A B210 (from 73-6) A12 A/T
- 23300-H6901 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-163 B210 (from 74-4) A12 A/T (4-brush)
B310 Reduction Gear
- 23300-H9101 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER(HITACHI) (S114-253A) from 0979
- replaced 23300-H9100 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER(HITACHI) (S114-253)to 0878
- S114-253B Specifications
- no-load current draw: 100A (compared to 60A)
- no-load miniumum 3900 RPM (compared to 7000 RPM)
- no-load Voltage: 11.0 (compared to 11.5)
B310 non-reduction Starter: 2 or 3-brush ?
- 23300-H6904 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER(HITACHI) (S114-163E) USA(AUTO)
- OP USA(MANUAL)
- 23300-H6903 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER(HITACHI) (S114-163E) USA(AUTO)
- OP USA(MANUAL)
- 23300-H7301 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER(HITACHI) (S114-160B)(USA(MANUAL) -0780
- 23300-H7302 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER(HITACHI) (S114-160B)(USA(MANUAL) 0880-
- Specifications: Automatic S114-160G & Manual S114-163F
- no-load current: less than 60A
- no-load RPM: more than 7000 RPM
- no-load Voltage: 11.5
Interchange
Strict interchange:
- Manual Transmission
- 23300-H5000, H5001, H7301 (Hollander 1217)
- All Sunny 1971-1979 Manual Tranmission
- (what about 1980-1982?)
- What about Datsun 1000?
- Hollander 1395 fits if you swap the drive gear
- Automatic Transmission
- Part number?
Reported interchange: All A-series. Auto or Manual.
- 23300-H0100, 23300-H6901, 23300-H0101, 23300-H6903
23300-08700, 23300-H5003, 23300-H0510, 23300-H6904, 23300-18000,
23300-H5004, 23300-H0511, 23300-H7300, 23300-18005, 23300-H5010,
23300-H3900, 23300-H7301, 23300-18015, 23300-H5011, 23300-H5000,
23300-H7302, 23300-18016, 23300-H6900, 23300-H5001, 23300-E3000
Reduction Starter
There are two types of reduction gear starter for A-series engines. They are used for increase torque, especially for cold weather starting. This means the starter turns slower, but apply the same horsepower.
Hitachi Reduction Starter
1977 Canada models and 1978-up USA models used an optional Reduction gear starting motor with increase torque for easy starting in sub-zero temperatures. This is also a good upgrade for high-compression engines. It was used in Japan market too.
On the B210 it requires a different right-side engine mount.
The Hitachi can be identified by the thin end plate. The Mitsubishi reduction starter uses a thick pressed steel end plate which looks like a standard starter.
Details on fitting this to a Datsun 1200 are needed. Can it be done?
Mitsubishi Reduction Starter
The Mitsubishi reduction starter motor was used in Japan market B310s. It was not used USA market. This motor has a thick drive gear casting and a thin sandwhich section in the middle (the Hitachi is made the other way: Thick sandwhich with thin drive gear casting).
Pitroad Reduction Starter
for 1971-1973
For 1974-up utes, cut a bit of the right-side tower like this:
Lightweight Starter
Has the original power output (0.8 kw or 1.0 kw)
Service
Starter parts breakdown for original (2-brush) Datsun 1200 starter
- The brushes can be replaced with a large soldering iron
- The overrun cluch (drive gear) can easily be replaced
Otherwise, replace with a new, rebuilt or good used unit.
Check Gear Teeth
- Check gear teeth for nice, consistent chamfer, as shown here.
- Teeth worn flat with destroy a good flywheel (and vice-versa)
Testing Overrun Clutch
If your starter "whizzes" just after the engine catches, the Overrun clutch is almost for sure bad. If you do not replace it, eventually it will wear so much it free spings, instead of turning the engine.
- Remove starter from engine
- With your fingers, turn the small drive gear.
- It should smoothly turn one direction
- It should NOT turn at all the other direction, not even a little bit
Check Bushing
Brushes
Remove the brush cover or end cap. Inspect the brushes.
- original type with brush band: Brushes unscrew and can be easily replace
- newer more powerful starters: although you can buy new brushes, it is a heavy-duty soldering job to replace them.
Solenoid
If the starter just 'clicks' but doesn't turn the engine, it is probably a low battery, or dirty wiring. It that check out, your solenoid may be dirty. Unlike other brands, the A-series solenoids have soldered connections and are not designed to be disassembled and cleaned.
Detailing
- polished drive housing
- Painted body for anodized look