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Datsun 1200 uses a small radiator, perfectly adequate for 69HP when in good condition. Using a small radiator is good for light weight and efficiency.

Also see:
* Water pump
* Coolant/Antifreeze Specifications

Overview

GX Radiator 21400-H2300 (3-core)

Cooling Flow

Block detail including Welch Plugs and block Drain Plug

Temperature

It is not unusual with any 10-year old stock radiator for the temperature to rise during summer. If this occurs with your Datsun, don't panic. The engine can run all day close to the "H" mark.

DO NOT let it go onto the H mark. Pull over immediately if it goes past the H mark. Don't wait 30 seconds, it could be too late.

Typical Temperature

If this worries you, fit a slightly larger radiator to provide more cooling than Datsun provided with the 1200s.

According to Owner's Manual: Water Temperature Gauge,
the engine will run "satisfactorily" in this range:

1972 USA Owners manual (Page 10 ... ):

For most types of driving, the pointer will hover about halfway. However, the engine will run satisfactorily when the pointer is at any position in the middle range.

TIP: Use the stock engine-drive fan. Electric fans are notorious for failing to cool the radiator in stop/go traffic. Of course an electric fan can work well, but many don't.

What is the correct temperature the engine should run at?
Primarily, this depends on the thermostat. The engine can run fine at a variety of temperatures. You can get different temp thermostats, and the coolant should stay steady at that temperature.

Datsun factory options were:

* THERMOSTAT 170 F (75.5c optional, for tropical use)
* THERMOSTAT 180 F (82 c, for standard use)
* THERMOSTAT 190 C (88 c, optional for winter)

These three thermostats were mainly because of the heater. 170 for hot climes so the room heater won't put out much heat, 190 for cold climes so the heater puts out more heat.

180 is recommended for all street cars, it will keep the oil at optimum temperature (oil runs about 20 degrees hotter than the coolant). A guy at the oil company told me 180 is ideal for the oil working the best. He went through training for Mobile I think it was and they were formulating oil for 200 degrees, which works out to be 20 degrees warmer than the coolant for most engines. Maybe it's changed now but it won't be colder as engines now run hotter than ever. If anyone has documentation for this please add it here.

160-degree is favored by some for drag racing as they tune the carbs for cold dense air, or for use with low octane fuel. But EFI computers don't run well at cold temps nor does the oil, and cold temps mean more engine wear. Cold temps are not recommended.

But won't I make more HP with a colder thermostat?
Not if your carburetor jetting is stock -- it expects warmer less dense air. And when you floor the accelerator pedal, the air cleaner hot air duct opens up letting only cooler air in, and the stock Hitachi compensates via the power valve. Those clever Datsun engineers had it covered.

Many cars use a 195 F degree thermostat along with a 14 lb. radiator cap to raise the boiling point. A radiator is more efficient at higher temperatures, because the temperature differential to the air will be greater, thus shedding heat faster. In turn airflow can be reduced which increases aerodynamics.

After the thermostat, the radiator is the next factor. If your temp. stays steady except on hot summer days (which is normal), you can use a bit larger replacement radiator and it will stay steady even during temperature peaks. Use either a new unit, rebuilt unit, or a good used unit from a B210 or B310, which are larger than the 1200 radiator.

See main article: Thermostat

Pressure Cap

Use a 4.7 lb cap as per original specification. The high-pressure 14.7 lb (1 bar) caps are solely for 100-degree (212F) thermostats. A lower pressure will help prevent leaks in the radiator, heater core and hose connections.

Nissan "push button" cap
* 21430-16300

Extra high-pressure

Extra high-pressure caps allow the engine to run above boiling point of the coolant. The extra high temperature means the radiator sheds head faster (larger temp differential to the air). This means a smaller radiator will be adequate.

The downside is that old radiators, heater cores and hoses may not be able to handle the pressure and may start leaking.

Nismo

Kameari

Trouble Diagnoses

Don't bother to replace the radiator before you test it! Make sure it's bad first.

Engine Runs Too Hot - boils over

Your thermostat may be bad, stuck partly closed and not allowing the water to flow. A simple test is to remove it. If then it keeps cool you know that's the problem.
Radiator blocked. Do this simple test of the radiator flow:
- take off the lower hose of the radiator. Block it with your hand, and fill the radiator with plain water. Take your hand off and the water should gush out in as big a stream as the lower opening. If it runs out in a smaller stream, the radiator has blockage inside and should be replaced or repaired.

Engine Runs Too Cold - never warms up

Most likely, the thermostat is bad, stuck partly open and not blocking the water in the engine. Replace the thermostat

Radiator Flush

You can try a radiator flushing additive but I'm not sure on their effectiveness.

Use a garden hose and flush water through the cooling system (from both top and bottom hoses) until it runs clear, then refill with proper coolant. Don't forget to turn the heater to hot so it gets flushed as well.

IMPORTANT: Don't forget to bleed the cooling system. Fill it with coolant and run the engine (with no radiator cap and heater on hot) until the thermostat opens (you will see (hot)coolant flowing rapidly across the top of the radiator), then top it up and shut the engine off, leaving it to cool comepletely. Once cold, top up the coolant and put the radiator cap on.

Pulleys

See Pulleys

Fan

See Fan

Specifications

The stock Datsun 1200 radiator has a core of 13.0 x 13.5 inches. GX comes with three-core of same dimensions.

Core dimensions: 13.0" x 13.5" x 1.26"
- 330 mm x 344 mm x 32 mm
- Width x Height x Thickness
Type: Corrugate fin
Fin spacing: 2.5 mm (0.098")
Radiator capacity: 335 K cal/h° C
Cap working pressure: 0.9 ± 0.1 kg/cm² (13 ± 1.4 psi)
Water capacity with heater: 4.9 liter (5-3/16 US quart, 4-5/16 imperial qt)
Radiator capacity: approximately 1.4 to 1.7 liter
Bolt spacing: ~14.5" wide and 9-7/8" high
Inlet and outlet diameter: 1"

Airflow

For proper radiator airflow:

ensure there are no extra holes in the core support
ensure the radiator is covering the hole (not spaced out from it)
ensure the stock underbody plate is attached

For enhanced efficiency:

Block any holes in the core support except the radiator hole
Add a seal at the top of the core support, to seal the space between the ledge and the bonnet
Add a fan shroud as with Aircon-equipped 1200s
front air dam
lower front of car

See discussion solving over heating problems

Part Numbers

http://www.rockauto.com

21400-H1900 ASSY-RADIATOR
- replaced 21400-H1003 ASSY-RADIATOR 0871-
  - replaced 21400-H1002 ASSY-RADIATOR

08110-6161B Bolt-hex $0.80 each USD
- 08110-61662 BOLT-HEX,WITH WASHER (4)
08963-10510 NUT-SPRING M5 (4) $1.08 each USD

21480-R0100 Water Drain Cock $2.05 USD
- 21480-18000 HANDLE-DRAIN COCK [radiator drain plug]
21481-18000 PACKING-DRAIN COCK [washer] $1.85 USD

Fan shroud, fitted to automatic 1200s, 1200 GX, and optional "heavy duty" for other 1200s
21475-H2300 SHROUD-RADIATOR UPPER $24.95 USD
21476-H2300 SHROUD-RADIATOR,LOWER $30.40 USD
08513-51610 Screw $0.42 USD
- 08513-51612 SCREW-TAPPING M5
08915-4351A Washer $0.98 USD
- 08915-43510 WASHER-PLAIN

B120 Core

1200 Radiator from 7908-

1980-1994 radiator are like early ones, but the bottom fitting exits to the left instead of straight out as in the original

21400-H5010 RADIATOR ASSY B517 7510-7907
21400-G1660 RADIATOR ASSY B517 7908-8910
21400-G1661 RADIATOR ASSY B517 8910-
21400-H9415 RADIATOR ASSY F/OKINAWA 7804-7907
21400-G1665 RADIATOR ASSY F/OKINAWA 7908-8910

21475-H2300 SHROUD-UPPER FOR COOLER 7980-
21776-G1660 SHROUD-LOWER FOR COOLER 7980-

21775-G1660 SHROUD-UPPER FOR COOLER 7804-7907
21476-H2300 SHROUD-LOWER FOR COOLER 7804-7907

21430-U0100 CAP ASSY-RADIATOR 7510-8503
21430-89901 CAP ASSY-RADIATOR 8504-8910
21430-89902 CAP ASSY-RADIATOR 8910- $14.73 USD

21501-G1600 HOSE-RADIATOR-UPPER 7510-
21503-G1600 HOSE-RADIATOR-LOWER 7510-7907
21503-G1601 HOSE-RADIATOR-LOWER 7908-8910
21503-95W00 HOSE-RADIATOR-LOWER 8910-

Hoses

The Datsun 1200 radiator hoses are 1" inside diameter.

Lower Radiator Hose

Hoses for model with heater (split lower hose)

21501-H1000 HOSE-RADIATOR,UPPER [all models] $7.17 USD
21503-H1000 HOSE-RADIATOR,LOWER [w/o heater]
21506-H1101 ASSY-HOSE,RADIATOR,LOWER,FOR HEATER 0970- $17.97 USD
Includes
- 21503-H1100 HOSE-RADIATOR,LOWER,FRONT FOR HEATER 0870-
  - Lower with heater (Rad. to Pipe): 9.5 to 10"
- 21504-H1100 HOSE-RADIATOR,LOWER,REAR FOR HEATER 0870-
  - Lower with heater (Pipe to Eng): 9.0 to 9-13/16"
- 08723-13600 CLAMP-HOSE
- 27075-H1000 CONNECTOR-HEATER
  - replaced 27075-27700 CONNECTOR-HEATER

ACDELCO Parts 20071S & 20070S. About $8 each RockAuto.com

Upper Radiator Hose

Upper radiator hose (from front of engine thermostat housing to top of radiator):

21501-H1000 HOSE-RADIATOR,UPPER, ~$5 from Nissan
AC DELCO 20067S, ~$8.50
- http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1208483,parttype,6892
9-19/32 inch length

GX Manifold Hose

A12GX Engine uses a water-heated inlet manifold.

Number 13 is the water hose

Fumiya Brand

Silicone hoses

Thermostat

Cooling Thermostat. $7-$16

Honda 1994 - 1996 PASSPORT

ISUZU 1989 - 1994 AMIGO, 1992 IMPULSE, 1981 I-MARK, 1981 - 1995 PICKUP, 1985 - 1989 I-MARK, 1991 - 1997 RODEO, 1988 - 1990 IMPULSE, 1984 - 1991 TROOPER
NISSAN , 1971 - 1973 1200 , 1980 - 1986 720 PICKUP , 1977 - 1988 200SX , 1977 - 1981 810 , 1979 - 1982 210 , 1974 - 1978 B210 , 1974 260Z , 1986 - 1989 D21 PICKUP , 1975 - 1978 280Z , 1976 - 1978 F10 , 1979 - 1982 280ZX , 1982 - 1984 MAXIMA , 1979 - 1982 310 , 1987 PATHFINDER , 1971 - 1973 510 , 1983 PULSAR , 1978 - 1981 510 , 1983 - 1989 PULSAR NX , 1971 - 1972 521 PICKUP , 1982 - 1988 SENTRA , 1973 - 1976 610 , 1982 - 1989 STANZA , 1972 - 1979 620 PICKUP , 1987 - 1988 VAN , 1974 - 1977 710

Coolant Temperature Sender

Switch for Temperature Gauge (thermal transmitter): See Temperature Gauge

Radiator Cap

13 psi Pressure Rating (SAE Range 12-16 psi)

21430-89902 ASSY-CAP RADIATOR
- 21430-U0100 ASSY-CAP RADIATOR 1972-
  - 21430-10600 ASSY-CAP
STANT 10229 13 psi $3.00, 11229
STANT Safety Release Cap 10329, 11329
Gates 31527 $4.61
Gates Safety Release Cap 31511 $5.08

Nissan button-release

21430-16300

USA LIST

B110 RAW LIST
21400-H1900 ASSY-RADIATOR
21400-H1003 ASSY-RADIATOR
21400-H1002 ASSY-RADIATOR
21430-10600 ASSY-CAP
21430-89902 ASSY-CAP PADIATOR
21430-U0100 ASSY-CAP PADIATOR
21480-18000 HANDLE-DRAIN COCK
21481-18000 PACKING-DRAIN COCK
08110-61662 BOLT-HEX,WITH WASHER
21501-H1000 HOSE-RADIATOR,UPPER
21503-H1000 HOSE-RADIATOR,LOWER
21506-H1101 ASSY-HOSE,RADIATOR,LOWER,FORHEATER
21503-H1100 HOSE-RADIATOR,LOWER,FRONT FOR HEATER
21504-H1100 HOSE-RADIATOR,LOWER,REAR FORHEATER
08723-13600 CLAMP-HOSE
27075-H1000 CONNECTOR-HEATER
27075-27700 CONNECTOR-HEATER
21475-H2300 SHROUD-RADIATOR UPPER
21475-H2300 SHROUD-RADIATOR,UPPER FOR HEAVY DUTY S
21476-H2300 SHROUD-RADIATOR,LOWER
21476-H2300 SHROUD-RADIATOR,FOR HEAVY DUTY SPEC
08513-51612 SCREW-TAPPING M5
08915-43510 WASHER-PLAIN
08963-10510 NUT-SPRING M5

Nissan Competition Parts

COOLING (A-SERIES)

21400-H2300 1200 FACTORY O/S RADIATOR 3-core radiator designed for high-performance applications
21475-H2300 1200 FAN SHROUD (UPPER) Use with lower shroud $24.95 USD
21476-H2300 1200 FAN SHROUD (LOWER) Improves cooling efficiency of the 1200 $30.40 USD
21400-H2023 1200 FACTORY ALUMINUM RADIATOR Though designed for use in the 1200, can easily be adapted to other models with minor modifications. Will flow over 13 gallons per minute. Dimensions are 13"(w)x13"(h)x2.25"(d)
21400-H5001 B210 FACTORY O/S RADIATOR (TO 8/74) 3-core radiator de signed for high-performance applications
21400-H7210 B210 FACTORY O/S RADIATOR (8/75 TO 7/76) 3-core radiator designed for high-performance applications
99996-H2500 B210 W/P & FAN CLUTCH ASSY No HP loss due to needless operation of fan at high RPM. Kit includes all required parts
21400-H9300 210 FACTORY O/S RADIATOR 3-core radiator designed for high-performance applications

Reference: 1984 Nissan Competition Parts catalog

Upgrades

The stock radiator is adequate, but can be marginal on the hottest summer days over 100F or 33C. Upgrades include:

Bolt-in B210 radiator or B310 , just a bit bigger makes a lot of difference in cooling
B210 a/c radiator, bigger yet. Just need some simple brackets

B210 & B310 Radiator

All B210 and B310 radiators are same height as 1200 radiators. Plus they come with shrouds as standard equipment.

Width

1973 B110 ~14.5" bolt spacing width (manual transmission)
1979 B310 USA 17-3/8" bolt spacing width (A15 with 4-speed)
1980 B310 USA 20-1/8" bolt spacing width (A15 with 5-speed)
1978 A10 USA 23" (585 mm) L20B with 5-speed and A/C

B210 1974 is same size as B110 (1.7 liter), but B210 with A14 radiators are wider. There is one size wider radiator, in AUTO (with AT cooler lines, 2.5 liter)) and two manual part numbers (2.7 liter, which vary slightly).

B210 USA CATALOG
* 21400-H5201 ASSY-RADIATOR 1974 USA
* 21500-H7210 ASSY-RADIATOR FP2.5 WITH OILCOOLER AUTO 0974-
* 21400-H7210 ASSY-RADIATOR FP2.7 MANUAL
* 21400-H7400 ASSY-RADIATOR FP2.7 MANUAL
The last three are not directly interchangeable but are the same width.

Radiator 21400-H5201 -0874 (AUTO & MANUAL ~1.5/1.7 liter)
* 21475-H5000 SHROUD-RADIATOR UPPER AUTO -0974
* 21476-H5000 SHROUD-RADIATOR LOWER AUTO -0874
Same size as B110 radiator?

Radiator 21500-H7210 (AUTO 2.5 liter) 0974-
* 21475-H7210 SHROUD-RADIATOR UPPER 0974-
* 21475-H7212 SHROUD-RADIATOR UPPER (PP) or 21475-H7211 (NP) AUTO(CAN) 0876-
* 21476-H7212 SHROUD-RADIATOR LOWER (PP) or 21476-H7211 (NP) 0876-
** replaces 21476-H7210 SHROUD-RADIATOR LOWER 0974-0775

Radiator 21400-H7210 (MANUAL 2.7 liter) MANUAL 0974-0775, MANUAL USA 0876-
* 21475-H7212 SHROUD-RADIATOR UPPER (PP) or 21475-H7211 (NP) 0875-0776
* 21476-H7212 SHROUD-RADIATOR LOWER (PP) or 21476-H7211 (NP) USA 0876-

Radiator 21400-H7400 (MANUAL 2.7 liter) USA 0875-0776 CANADA 0875-
* 21475-H7500 SHROUD-RADIATOR,BOTH MANUAL(CAN) 0875-
* 21475-H7500 SHROUD-RADIATOR,BOTH MANUAL(USA) 0875-0776
* 21475-H7212 SHROUD-RADIATOR UPPER (PP) or 21475-H7211 (NP) 0875-0776
* 21475-H7212 SHROUD-RADIATOR UPPER (PP) or 21475-H7211 (NP) USA 0876-

B210 JDM CATALOG
Small width, 1973-1975, same as B110:
* 21400-H5201 ASSY-RADIATOR A12 AUTO
* 21400-H5200 ASSY-RADIATOR A12 MANUAL
Unknown Width:
* 21400-H5010 ASSY-RADIATOR VAN A12 1975-1977
Larger width, 1975-1977:
* 21500-H7210 ASSY-RADIATOR A14S AUTO
* 21400-H7400 ASSY-RADIATOR A14S MANUAL, A12 SEDAN & COUPE
* 21400-H7210 ASSY-RADIATOR A14T
Only the A14 models were fitted with a shroud.

B310 JDM CATALOG
All came with shroud, except A12/A13 w/o aircon.
* 21400-H5010 RADIATOR ASSY VAN A12
Larger width:
* 21500-H7400 RADIATOR ASSY
* 21500-W5001 RADIATOR ASSY A15S
* 21500-H9200 RADIATOR ASSY A14E
* 21500-H9205 RADIATOR ASSY A15E
* 21400-H9415 RADIATOR ASSY VAN A12 F/OKINAWA
* 21400-H7415 RADIATOR ASSY F/OKINAWA
* 21500-W5015 RADIATOR ASSY A15S F/OKINAWA
* 21500-H9215 RADIATOR ASSY A14E F/OKINAWA
* 21500-H9216 RADIATOR ASSY A15E F/OKINAWA

Shroud
* 21475-H8500 SHROUD ASSY
* 21475-H8800 SHROUD ASSY VAN A12 F/AIRCON
* 21475-H8900 SHROUD ASSY AT

B310 USA CATALOG
AUTOMATIC
* 21500-H9100 RADIATOR ASSY W/OIL COOLER AUTO(SEDAN,COUPE) -0979
* 21500-H9700 RADIATOR ASSY W/OIL COOLER AUTO(WAGON) -0979
* 21500-H9701 RADIATOR ASSY W/OIL COOLER AUTO 1079- replaced H9700 MANUAL RADIATORS
Width: 17-3/8" bolt spacing:
* 21400-H9100 RADIATOR ASSY MANUAL -0779
* 21400-H9100 RADIATOR ASSY A14(MAN) 0879-0979
* 21400-H9100 RADIATOR ASSY A12(CAN) 0879-0979
* 21400-H9110 RADIATOR ASSY A12(USA) 0879-0979
* 21400-H9111 RADIATOR ASSY A12 1079- 2 21400-H9110
* 21400-H9101 RADIATOR ASSY A14(MANUAL) 1079-0780 2 21400-H9100
Width unknown:
* 21400-H9900 RADIATOR ASSY A14(HL-RSFU,RFN) 0880-
Width: 20-1/8" bolt spacing:
* 21400-H9120 RADIATOR ASSY A15(MANUAL) 1279-

Width: 17-3/8" bolt spacing:
Radiator 21400-H9100, 21400-H9101
Radiator 21400-H9110, 21400-H9111
* 21475-H8500 SHROUD-RADIATOR MANUAL(A12,A14)

Width unknown:
Radiator 21400-H9900
* 21590-H9900 MOTOR ASSY-W/SHROUD MANUAL(RSFU,RFN) 0980-
AUTO Radiator 21500-H9100

Width: 20-1/8" bolt spacing:
Radiator 21400-H9120
AUTO Radiator 21500-H9700, 21500-H9701
* 21475-H8600 SHROUD-RADIATOR AUTO(A15) MANUAL(A15) superceeded 21475-H8900

Brand new aluminum radiator, $43 USD

The hot tip for modified or competition is a Brand new aluminum radiator, $43 USD: 1986 Volkswagen Golf radiator, narrow version that is 24" wide. The AC models have a wider radiator.

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