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	Note that the [[Battery]] from most cars interchange with the Datsun 1200 -- even large batteries. The A12 does not need a high-power battery and often a worn battery that can no longer start a V8 will work fine in your 1200 for another year or two. The 1200 can take quite large batteries, although newer very small batteries will [[Lightweight|save weight thus gaining "free" horsepower]]. In Japan, 1200s came with very small batteries.		Note that the [[Battery]] from most cars interchange with the Datsun 1200 -- even large batteries. The A12 does not need a high-power battery and often a worn battery that can no longer start a V8 will work fine in your 1200 for another year or two. The 1200 can take quite large batteries, although newer very small batteries will [[Lightweight|save weight thus gaining "free" horsepower]]. In Japan, 1200s came with very small batteries.
-	Note that GM batteries with side-mounted terminals won't work unless you change the battery cables to match.	+	= Overview =
		+	Also see [[Battery Maintenance]] and [[Cable Cleaning]].
		+	Datsun 1200 stock large battery (big enough for a V8) is good if you want to use the stock hold-down and tray. Otherwise fit a smaller battery. One with half the weight is plenty for the A-series engine.
		+
		+	[{{Post|362372}} Gary_P said]:<blockquote><hr>I've been running the Odyssey PC680MJT batteries in both 1200's. One has been in use for a year, the other has been in 2 years. 220 CCA, very small, and 15# [pounds].
		+
		+	http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ODY-PC680MJT/<hr></blockquote>
		+
		+	Note that GM batteries with side-mounted terminals won't work unless you change the battery cable terminals to match.
	= Australia =		= Australia =
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	In Japan, the 1200s come with a very small battery, (tall, but small).		In Japan, the 1200s come with a very small battery, (tall, but small).
-	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/16698.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/drawThumb3.aspx?width=400&uri=datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/16698.jpg]	+	JDM battery, takes up only a portion of the battery tray. This is powering a street/race A14
-	* JDM battery, takes up only a portion of the battery tray. This is powering a street/race A14.	+	<br>{{Album|16698}}
-	Type: [http://autopowerstore.com/TF-38B19L.html 38B19L]	+	Type: [http://autopowerstore.com/TF-38B19L.html 38B19L]
		+	specifications
		+	* Height: 20.4 mm (7-7/8 inch)
		+	* Width: 18.8 mm (7-3/8 inch)
		+	* Depth: 12.8 mm (4-7/8 inch)
		+	* Weight with acid: [http://www.panasonic.com.my/web/Pid/1763 9.7 kg] (21.4 pounds)
		+	* CCA: 274
		+	* Capacity @ 20 Ah: 33-35
		+	* Reserve Capacity Minutes: 52
-	Dimensions	+	B110
-	* Height: 20.4 mm (7-7/8 inch)	+	* Battery: 40B19R
-	* Width: 18.8 mm (7-3/8 inch)	+	* Length: 19.7 cm
-	* Depth: 12.8 mm (4-7/8 inch)	+	* Width: 12.9 cm
-	* Weight with acid: [http://www.panasonic.com.my/web/Pid/1763 9.7 kg] (21.4 pounds)	+	* Height: 20.0 cm
-	* CCA: 274	+	* modern spec: TH: 222 Capacity 5hrs (Ah) 28 Ah
-	* Capacity @ 20 Ah: 33-35	+	{{Album|20872}}
-	* Reserve Capacity Minutes: 52	+	* Tray
-		+	* Length: 20.5 cm
-		+	* Width: 13.5 cm
-	B110	+
-	* Battery: 40B19R	+
-	** Length: 19.7 cm	+
-	** Width: 12.9 cm	+
-	** Height: 20.0 cm	+
-	** modern spec: TH: 222 Capacity 5hrs (Ah) 28 Ah	+
-	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20872 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/20872.jpg]	+
-	* Tray	+
-	** Length: 20.5 cm	+
-	** Width: 13.5 cm	+
		+	Battery Tray - 20.5 x 13.5 cm
		+	<br>{{Album|25016}} {{Album|25017}}
	keywords: &#12496;&#12483;&#12486;&#12522; &#12496;&#12483;&#12486;&#12522;&#12540;&#12488;&#12524;&#12540;		keywords: &#12496;&#12483;&#12486;&#12522; &#12496;&#12483;&#12486;&#12522;&#12540;&#12488;&#12524;&#12540;
	= Part Numbers =		= Part Numbers =
-	B120 8910-	+	Also see [[Battery Part Numbers]]
-	* 24420-M7000 FRAME-BATTERY FIX $8.29 USD	+
-	** 24420-J0600 F/COLD ZONE $11.15 USD	+
-	* 24422-18001 ROD-BATTERY FIX LONG	+
-	* 24422-G1600 ROD-BATTERY FIX F/50A	+
-	* 24422-H1000 ROD-BATTERY FIX SHORT	+
		+	B120 8910-
		+	* 24420-M7000 FRAME-BATTERY FIX $8.29 USD
		+	24420-J0600 F/COLD ZONE $11.15 USD
		+	* 24422-18001 ROD-BATTERY FIX LONG
		+	* 24422-G1600 ROD-BATTERY FIX F/50A
		+	* 24422-H1000 ROD-BATTERY FIX SHORT
-	Battery 8910-	+	Battery 8910-
-	* B441M-3B197	+	* B441M-3B197
-	* B441M-3B201	+	* B441M-3B201
-	* B441M-5D237	+	* B441M-5D237
-	* 24428-89900 TRAY-BATTERY -8910	+	* 24428-89900 TRAY-BATTERY -8910
-	* 24428-89920 TRAY-BATTERY 8910- $24.61 USD	+	* 24428-89920 TRAY-BATTERY 8910- $24.61 USD
-	** F/COLD ZONE -8910	+	F/COLD ZONE -8910
		+
		+	== Body Sheet Metal ==
		+	The battery platform/box/frame is spot-welded to the right hoodledge (inner fender, see [[Front_Fender_and_Front_End|Hoodledge]]).
		+
		+	Angled: early 1200s
		+	24426-H1001 BRACKET-BATTERY SUPPORT
		+	24427-H1000 STAY-BATTERY BRACKET SEDAN <> 24427-H1001
		+	{{PB2|y47|dwaynE2100|Datto|EngineBay-002.jpg}}
		+	{{PB2|v316|d-hole||312678_2014973619590_1401316972_31824478_1483769309_n-1.jpg}}
		+
		+	North-south: late 1200s 64135
		+	24426-G1600 BRACKET-BATTERY SUPPORT 8504-8901 24421-G1900 2 0
		+	22421-G1900 BRACKET-BATTERY SUPPORT 8901-
		+	{{PB2|zz255|j05h120y|Datsun%201200%20Ute|DSCN0487.jpg}}
		+	{{Album|2973}}
	= USA =		= USA =
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	USA models originally used a large full-size battery (Group 24). With today's better batteries, a much smaller battery is all you need.		USA models originally used a large full-size battery (Group 24). With today's better batteries, a much smaller battery is all you need.
-	* Group 24: 41 pounds. 6.75 wide, 8.75 in Tall, 10.87 long	+	* Group 24: 41 pounds. 6.75 wide, 8.75 in Tall, 10.87 long
-	* Group 25: 36 pounds. 6.75 wide, 8.75 in Tall, 9.69 long	+	* Group 25: 36 pounds. 6.75 wide, 8.75 in Tall, 9.69 long
-	* Group 26: 31 pounds. 6.75 wide, 7.81 in Tall, 8.75 long	+	* Group 26: 31 pounds. 6.75 wide, 7.81 in Tall, 8.75 long
	A Group 26 battery is a lot lighter and more powerful than the original specification. But it doesn't fit very well using the original hold-down as you can see in this photo:		A Group 26 battery is a lot lighter and more powerful than the original specification. But it doesn't fit very well using the original hold-down as you can see in this photo:
		+	<br>{{Album|15362}}
-	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=15362 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/15362.jpg]	+	* [http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02830126000P?vName=Automotive&cName=Batteries+%26+Chargers&sName=Automotive+Batteries Sears Group 26 Battery]
		+	* [http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02830324000P?vName=&cName=&sName= Sears Group 24 Battery]
		+	* [http://www.sears.com/shc/s/s_10153_12605_Automotive_Batteries+%26+Chargers_Automotive+Batteries All Sears Batteries for Datsun 1200]
		+	Group 24
		+	* CCA: 525
		+	* Reserve Capacity: 90
		+	Group 25
		+	* CCA: 525
		+	* Reserve Capacity: 85
		+	[http://www.staabbattery.com/product/aut/MF26-60.html Group 26]
		+	* CCA: 525
		+	* Reserve Capacity: 80
-	[http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02830126000P?vName=Automotive&cName=Batteries+%26+Chargers&sName=Automotive+Batteries Sears Group 26 Battery]	+	Reserve Capacity (RC) is the number of minutes a fully charged battery at 80° F (26.7° C) can be discharged at 25 amps until the voltage falls below 10.5 volts. More RC is better in every case. To convert Reserve Capacity to approximate Ampere-Hours, multiple RC by 0.4.
-	[http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02830324000P?vName=&cName=&sName= Sears Group 24 Battery]	+	small battery
		+	<br>{{Upload|14768_4d450868dfd1d.jpg}}
-	[http://www.sears.com/shc/s/s_10153_12605_Automotive_Batteries+%26+Chargers_Automotive+Batteries All Sears Batteries for Datsun 1200]	+	= Small Advanced Battery =
-	* Group 24	+
-	** CCA: 525	+
-	** Reserve Capacity: 90	+
-	* Group 25	+
-	** CCA: 525	+
-	** Reserve Capacity: 85	+
-	* [http://www.staabbattery.com/product/aut/MF26-60.html Group 26]	+
-	** CCA: 525	+
-	** Reserve Capacity: 80	+
-	Reserve Capacity (RC) is the number of minutes a fully charged battery at 80° F (26.7° C) can be discharged at 25 amps until the voltage falls below 10.5 volts. More RC is better in every case. To convert Reserve Capacity to approximate Ampere-Hours, multiple RC by 0.4.	+	{{Album|21819}}
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		+	http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ODY-PC680MJT/
		+	Odyssey Battery PC680MJT
		+	* $160
		+	* 15 pounds
		+	* 220 CCA
		+	* Top Post
		+	* Reserve Capacity 24 minutes
		+	* Length (in) 7.250 in.
		+	* Width (in) 3.000 in.
		+	* Height (in) 6.650 in.
		+
		+	http://www.braillebattery.com/index.php/batteries/b106/
		+	Six pounds, $140USD
		+	B106
		+	{{UploadPost|8618_4b10ecdd34a11.jpg|293208}}
		+
		+	{{Photo!|ODY-ER30.jpg|sightings/forum}}
		+	Odyssey ER30
		+	* CCA: 450
		+	* Capacity (Ah): 34
		+	* Reserve Capacity: 60
		+	* Weight (Kgs): 9.5
		+	* price: $290 USD
		+	* Length: 9.8"
		+	* Width: 3.8"
		+	* Height: 6.1"
	= Battery Hold-down =		= Battery Hold-down =
-	The genuine battery hold-down:	+	The genuine battery hold-down:
-	* 24420-J0600	+	* 24420-J0600
-	** For batteries 6.75 wide, 8.75 in Tall, 10.87 long (Group 24 size)	+	For batteries 6.75 wide, 8.75 in Tall, 10.87 long (Group 24 size)
-	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=15373 http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=400&uri=http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/15373.jpg]	+	{{Album|15373}}
	Factory J-Hook 24424-H5000 (9.25" 235mm)		Factory J-Hook 24424-H5000 (9.25" 235mm)
		+
		+	= Cable Routing =
		+	The Negative battery cable (black cable) bolts to the timing cover bolt. It is important to have the engine grounded like this, and not the body -- because the starter uses the most power, the cable needs to go directly to the engine block.
		+
		+	Factory Photo
		+	<br>{{Album|4969}}
		+
		+	ddgonzal's 1972 1200
		+	<br>{{Album|3517}}
		+
		+	The positive cable is bolted directly to the starter solenoid:
		+	<br>{{Album|15374}}
		+
		+	= Voltage & Amps =
		+	See Main Article: [[Voltage regulator]]
		+
		+	= Battery Relocation =
		+	See Main Article: [[Battery Relocation]]
		+
		+	[[Category:Body Electrical System]]{{End}}

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Current revision

Note that the Battery from most cars interchange with the Datsun 1200 -- even large batteries. The A12 does not need a high-power battery and often a worn battery that can no longer start a V8 will work fine in your 1200 for another year or two. The 1200 can take quite large batteries, although newer very small batteries will save weight thus gaining "free" horsepower. In Japan, 1200s came with very small batteries.

Contents 1 Overview 2 Australia 3 Japan 4 Part Numbers 4.1 Body Sheet Metal 5 USA 6 Small Advanced Battery 7 Battery Hold-down 8 Cable Routing 9 Voltage & Amps 10 Battery Relocation

Overview

Also see Battery Maintenance and Cable Cleaning.

Datsun 1200 stock large battery (big enough for a V8) is good if you want to use the stock hold-down and tray. Otherwise fit a smaller battery. One with half the weight is plenty for the A-series engine.

^POST Gary_P said:

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I've been running the Odyssey PC680MJT batteries in both 1200's. One has been in use for a year, the other has been in 2 years. 220 CCA, very small, and 15# [pounds]. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ODY-PC680MJT/

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Note that GM batteries with side-mounted terminals won't work unless you change the battery cable terminals to match.

Australia

What size battery was standard for Datsun 1200 in Australia?

Japan

In Japan, the 1200s come with a very small battery, (tall, but small).

JDM battery, takes up only a portion of the battery tray. This is powering a street/race A14
Album 16698

Type: 38B19L
specifications
* Height: 20.4 mm (7-7/8 inch)
* Width: 18.8 mm (7-3/8 inch)
* Depth: 12.8 mm (4-7/8 inch)
* Weight with acid: 9.7 kg (21.4 pounds)
* CCA: 274
* Capacity @ 20 Ah: 33-35
* Reserve Capacity Minutes: 52

B110 
* Battery: 40B19R
* Length: 19.7 cm
* Width: 12.9 cm
* Height: 20.0 cm
* modern spec: TH: 222 Capacity 5hrs (Ah) 28 Ah
Album 20872
* Tray
  * Length: 20.5 cm
  * Width: 13.5 cm

Battery Tray - 20.5 x 13.5 cm
Album 25016 Album 25017

keywords: バッテリ バッテリートレー

Part Numbers

Also see Battery Part Numbers

B120 8910-
* 24420-M7000 FRAME-BATTERY FIX $8.29 USD
  24420-J0600 F/COLD ZONE $11.15 USD
* 24422-18001 ROD-BATTERY FIX LONG
* 24422-G1600 ROD-BATTERY FIX F/50A
* 24422-H1000 ROD-BATTERY FIX SHORT

Battery 8910-
* B441M-3B197
* B441M-3B201
* B441M-5D237

* 24428-89900 TRAY-BATTERY -8910
* 24428-89920 TRAY-BATTERY 8910- $24.61 USD
  F/COLD ZONE -8910

Body Sheet Metal

The battery platform/box/frame is spot-welded to the right hoodledge (inner fender, see Hoodledge).

Angled: early 1200s
24426-H1001 BRACKET-BATTERY SUPPORT
24427-H1000 STAY-BATTERY BRACKET SEDAN <> 24427-H1001

North-south: late 1200s 64135
24426-G1600 BRACKET-BATTERY SUPPORT 8504-8901 24421-G1900 2 0
22421-G1900 BRACKET-BATTERY SUPPORT 8901-

Album 2973

USA

The best fit is with the Positive terminal on the right side of the battery top.

USA models originally used a large full-size battery (Group 24). With today's better batteries, a much smaller battery is all you need.

* Group 24: 41 pounds. 6.75 wide, 8.75 in Tall, 10.87 long
* Group 25: 36 pounds. 6.75 wide, 8.75 in Tall, 9.69 long
* Group 26: 31 pounds. 6.75 wide, 7.81 in Tall, 8.75 long

A Group 26 battery is a lot lighter and more powerful than the original specification. But it doesn't fit very well using the original hold-down as you can see in this photo:
Album 15362

* Sears Group 26 Battery
* Sears Group 24 Battery
* All Sears Batteries for Datsun 1200
Group 24
* CCA: 525
*  Reserve Capacity: 90
Group 25
* CCA: 525
*  Reserve Capacity: 85
Group 26
* CCA: 525
* Reserve Capacity: 80

Reserve Capacity (RC) is the number of minutes a fully charged battery at 80° F (26.7° C) can be discharged at 25 amps until the voltage falls below 10.5 volts. More RC is better in every case. To convert Reserve Capacity to approximate Ampere-Hours, multiple RC by 0.4.

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Small Advanced Battery

Album 21819

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ODY-PC680MJT/
Odyssey Battery PC680MJT
* $160
* 15 pounds
* 220 CCA
* Top Post
* Reserve Capacity  24 minutes 
* Length (in)  7.250 in. 
* Width (in)  3.000 in. 
* Height (in)  6.650 in.

http://www.braillebattery.com/index.php/batteries/b106/ 
Six pounds, $140USD
B106
Post 293208

Odyssey ER30
* CCA: 450
* Capacity (Ah): 34
* Reserve Capacity: 60
* Weight (Kgs): 9.5
* price: $290 USD
* Length: 9.8"
* Width: 3.8"
* Height: 6.1"

Battery Hold-down

The genuine battery hold-down:
* 24420-J0600 
  For batteries 6.75 wide, 8.75 in Tall, 10.87 long (Group 24 size)

Album 15373

Factory J-Hook 24424-H5000 (9.25" 235mm)

Cable Routing

The Negative battery cable (black cable) bolts to the timing cover bolt. It is important to have the engine grounded like this, and not the body -- because the starter uses the most power, the cable needs to go directly to the engine block.

Factory Photo
Album 4969

ddgonzal's 1972 1200
Album 3517

The positive cable is bolted directly to the starter solenoid:
Album 15374

Voltage & Amps

See Main Article: Voltage regulator

Battery Relocation

See Main Article: Battery Relocation 

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