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Temperature Gauge

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= Wiring = = Wiring =
 +Y/W wire connects to the Sender near the front of the cylinder head.
 +
 +Late Sunny Truck: Transmitter <--> Y/W/R engine harness <--> Y/W instrument harness <--> Dash Round Plug #1 <--> temp gauge <--> Instrument Panel Voltage Regulator
 +
 +== Regulator ==
 +The coolant/water temperature gauge incorporates a '''voltage regulator''', which controls '''both''' fuel and water gauges.
 + * If both the water and fuel gauges are off, suspect the regulator
 + * If only one gauge is incorrect, suspect a bad connection, usually at the sender
 +
 + See: [[Fuel Gauge Wiring]]
 + See: [[Temperature Gauge#Wiring|Temperature Gauge Wiring]]
 +
 +Temperature Sender at cylinder head (on right side of head, at the very front):
 +<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=8122 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/8122.jpg]
 +
 +Fuel Level Sender at fuel tank
 +<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=24469 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/24469.jpg]
 +
 +Voltage Regulator is part of Temperature Gauge
 +<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19519 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/19519.jpg]
 +
 +Voltage Regulator Circuit in [[Cluster Gauge]]
 +<br>[http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/13938B.jpg http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/th_13938B.jpg]
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== Troubleshooting == == Troubleshooting ==
First, clean the connections of the wire to the thermal transmitter (engine temp sensor). First, clean the connections of the wire to the thermal transmitter (engine temp sensor).
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<br>Yellow wire just about hose clamp <br>Yellow wire just about hose clamp
<br>Remove the wire and clean the connector. Replace. Make sure the wire fits tight. <br>Remove the wire and clean the connector. Replace. Make sure the wire fits tight.
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* If both fuel and temperature gauges do not work at all, the fuse is likely burnt out. Inspect the fuse. If the fuse is good, the instrument panel voltage regulator may be bad * If both fuel and temperature gauges do not work at all, the fuse is likely burnt out. Inspect the fuse. If the fuse is good, the instrument panel voltage regulator may be bad

Revision as of 21:36, 21 April 2014

Datsun 1200 comes with a full temperature gauge in the dash, controlled electrically by the Thermal Transmitter (sender) that is screwed into the cylinder head.

Contents

Instrument Panel Gauge

Also see:


Dash gauge. It is not unusual with any 10-year old stock radiator for the temperature to rise during summer. If you have this, don't panic. The engine can run all day close to the "H" mark. Just don't let it go over that.

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Normal Temperature

According to Owner's Manual: Water Temperature Gauge, this is the normal range.

Normal Range
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Part Number

  • 24880-H1000 GAUGE-water temperature JDM [kaku]
  • 24880-H1000 GAUGE-water temperature B120 -7803
  • 24880-H1800 GAUGE-water temperature JDM [maru]
  • 24880-H1800 GAUGE-water temperature B120 7804-
  • 24880-H1800 GAUGE-WATER TEMP USA [round gauge]
  • 24880-H3100 GAUGE-water 1972 JDM


  • 24880-H5500 INDICATOR ASS'Y-water temperature JDM B210

Voltage Regulator

The instrument panel voltage regulator is integrated with the Temperature Gauge and is not sold separately. This regulates:

  • temperature gauge
  • fuel gauge

19519.jpg


  • 24880-H1000 METER ASSY-WATER TEMPERATURE -7803
    • For round and rectangle gauge panels
  • 24880-H3100 Gauge W/temp 7804- $50.60 USD
    • also used by 620 truck 1972-1979

Thermal Transmitter

The temperature sender (sensor) is called the thermal transmitter. If varies resistance according to temperature.

Switch for Temperature Gauge (thermal transmitter)
Nissan 25080-89900 GAUGE-TEMP ENGINE UNIT
* BECK/ARNLEY 2010247 $8.16
* Airtex 1T1181 
* STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS TS69
* ACDELCO E8041, 19107020
th_25080-89900.jpg
Most 1970s Datsuns

25251-30100 NUT [Threads for engine unit] is required. You can re-use your old one.

25080-89902 and some aftermarket have integral threads, such as this Airtext T1181

Interchange
1971-1973 1200
1973-1976 610
1968-1970 1600 Roadster
1975-1979 620 
1968-1970 2000 Roadster
1972-1974 620Pickup
1977-1983 200SX
1974-1977 710
1987-1988 200SX
1980-1985 720
1979-1982 210
1977-1979 810
1970-1973 240Z
1981 810
1974-1975 260Z
1974-1978 B210
1975-1978 280Z
1986 D21 Pickup
1979-1983 280ZX
1976-1978 F10
1980-1982 310
1982-1983 Maxima
1968-1973 510
1983-1986 PulsarNX
1978-1981 510
1983 Sentra
1968 520 Pickup
1982-1986 Stanza
1969-1972 521 Pickup
25080-89900 GAUGE-TEMP ENGINE UNIT
* 720 with Z20/Z22/Z24 engines
* 910 with L24 engine
* B11 with E15/E16 engine
* N10 Pulsar with A14/A15/E15 engines
* N12 Pulsar with E15ET engine
* S110 Z20E/Z22E
* S12 CA18ET/CA20E
* T11 CA20S/CA20E

Beck/Arnley 2010247 Water Temperature Switch $17.49 at schucks.com
Standard Motor Products TS69 Engine Coolant Temperature Sender 

8122.jpg Transmitter is at very front of right side

15003.jpg Tranmitter at left side, pointing up> it has a threaded collar nut to hold it in.

3640.jpg Transmitter at right front corner of head (in the photo: left side of front of head)

25080-89912 A-series 8202-
2508089902 Subaru
25080-89902 Nissan
* M16 x 1.5 threads
* 17 mm hex
th_25080-89912.jpg
Most 1980s Nissan
25080-89900 two-piece, 4mm diameter bullet type
25080-89901
25080-89902 M16 large type, one piece
25080-89903 M12 small type
25080-89905 for digital meter, spade, M16 x 1.5
25080-89912 spade type
25080-62200 nut type

ECU TEMPERATURE SENSOR

22630-N4200 ENGINE COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR $29 USD
* JAPAN C22 K.A15 JAPAN 1985-1991 (5-door high-roof)
* JAPAN B120 A12S 8910- [fitted to front of intake manifold]
  th_manifold-late.jpg
* JAPAN B310 A14E EGI#EGR
* LD20/LD20T/LD28, CD17/CD20,E13S/E15S/E15E/E15T,RD28,MA10S,Y44E,SD33
* CA18E/CA18ET,L20/L20E/L28E,Z18E/Z20E,FJ20
Specs
* 19 mm hex
* M12 x 1.5 threads
* rectangle connector
th_22630-N4200.jpg
Most Fuel Injected Datsun-Nissan

Wiring

Y/W wire connects to the Sender near the front of the cylinder head.

Late Sunny Truck: Transmitter <--> Y/W/R engine harness <--> Y/W instrument harness <--> Dash Round Plug #1 <--> temp gauge <--> Instrument Panel Voltage Regulator

Regulator

The coolant/water temperature gauge incorporates a voltage regulator, which controls both fuel and water gauges.

* If both the water and fuel gauges are off, suspect the regulator
* If only one gauge is incorrect, suspect a bad connection, usually at the sender
See:  Fuel Gauge Wiring
See:  Temperature Gauge Wiring

Temperature Sender at cylinder head (on right side of head, at the very front):
8122.jpg

Fuel Level Sender at fuel tank
24469.jpg

Voltage Regulator is part of Temperature Gauge
19519.jpg

Voltage Regulator Circuit in Cluster Gauge
th_13938B.jpg

Troubleshooting

First, clean the connections of the wire to the thermal transmitter (engine temp sensor).
15170.jpg
Yellow wire just about hose clamp
Remove the wire and clean the connector. Replace. Make sure the wire fits tight.

  • If both fuel and temperature gauges do not work at all, the fuse is likely burnt out. Inspect the fuse. If the fuse is good, the instrument panel voltage regulator may be bad
  • If both fuel gauge and temperature gauge read incorrectly (high or low) or fluctuate, the problem is likely the shared instrument panel voltage regulator. But first check the wiring connections. They may be loose or corroded.
  • If gauge reads MAX hot with ignition OFF, gauge is defective.
  • If gauge reads MAX hot with ignition ON, but cold with ignition OFF, transmitter is bad
  • Ground sensor wire at engine. If gauge fluctuates, gauge is bad


Accuracy Test

  • Buy a 116-ohm resistor at Radio Shack or other electronics store.
  1. At the engine, locate the thermal transmitter:
  2. Pull the wire off the transmitter and put a 116-ohm resistor from the wire to earth/ground
  3. Turn IGN switch to "ON". Gauge should read 50C/122F, or between C and H ranges (in middle range)

Nissan Electrical

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Ohms Temp
100   80F  
 75  105 
 50  130
 40  140
 30  157
 25  167
 20  180 Half
 15  200 just short of H