User Login    
 + Register
  • Main navigation
Login
Username:

Password:


Lost Password?

Register now!
Fast Search
Slow Search
Google Ad


[Datsun 1200 encyclopedia]

Anti-sway bar

(Difference between revisions)

Datsun 1200 encyclopedia | Recent changes | Switch to MediaWiki mode

Printable version | Disclaimers | Privacy policy | Current revision
Categories: Suspension Modifications | Rear Axle And Rear Suspension | Front Axle And Front Suspension

Revision as of 00:33, 8 September 2016
ddgonzal (Talk | contribs)
(->B310)
<- Previous diff
Revision as of 08:20, 15 September 2016
ddgonzal (Talk | contribs)

Next diff ->
Line 1: Line 1:
-[[Category:Suspension Modifications]][[Category:Rear Axle And Rear Suspension]][[Category:Front Axle And Front Suspension]] 
The [[Anti-sway bar]], also known as a '''swaybar''', helps bumps on left side of the road from affecting right side of car and vice-versa. Nissan calls this the '''stabilizer'''. The [[Anti-sway bar]], also known as a '''swaybar''', helps bumps on left side of the road from affecting right side of car and vice-versa. Nissan calls this the '''stabilizer'''.
Line 12: Line 11:
When changing bars, raise the car so you can get under it easely BUT more importantly put blocks under the tyres so they are not hanging down. The positive camber of drooping wheels prevent you from getting the bar in. Make sure both sides are jacked evenly. When changing bars, raise the car so you can get under it easely BUT more importantly put blocks under the tyres so they are not hanging down. The positive camber of drooping wheels prevent you from getting the bar in. Make sure both sides are jacked evenly.
-<br><img size=140>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/12526_53f7d883b7b77.jpg</img> <img size=78>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/12526_53f7d8a6c7d65.jpg</img> <img size=140>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/12526_53f7d8d539fc5.jpg</img> <img size=178>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/12526_53f7d8ef5b6d2.jpg</img> <img size=140>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/12526_53f7d901e3a1f.jpg</img>+ 
-<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=459163#forumpost459163 Datsun 1200 swaybar]+[http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=459163#forumpost459163 Datsun 1200 swaybar]
 +<br>{{UploadH!|12526_53f7d883b7b77.jpg}} {{UploadH!|12526_53f7d8a6c7d65.jpg}} {{UploadH!|12526_53f7d8d539fc5.jpg}} {{UploadH!|12526_53f7d8ef5b6d2.jpg}} {{UploadH!|12526_53f7d901e3a1f.jpg}}
= Upgrade = = Upgrade =
Line 19: Line 19:
Bolt a B210 (1974-1978 Sunny) swaybar on. For around $20 and an hour of your time, it bolts in without any mods: Bolt a B210 (1974-1978 Sunny) swaybar on. For around $20 and an hour of your time, it bolts in without any mods:
-<blockquote><hr>what a difference it makes I can't believe the difference I can finally go around corners at a decent speed.+<blockquote>what a difference it makes I can't believe the difference I can finally go around corners at a decent speed.
For anyone who's looking for a quick and cheap handling improvement this is the way to go. For anyone who's looking for a quick and cheap handling improvement this is the way to go.
-<br>+<br><br>{{ThumbH!|4849}}</blockquote>
-http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/4849.jpg<hr></blockquote>+
- See main article: [[B210 Sway Bar Upgrade]]+{{SeeMainArticle!|B210 Sway Bar Upgrade}}
= Sizes = = Sizes =
Line 46: Line 45:
B140 vs B110 GX bars B140 vs B110 GX bars
-<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11883 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/11883.jpg]+<br>{{Album|11883}}
B210 B210
Line 59: Line 58:
Swaybar connecting rod (original H23 type) Swaybar connecting rod (original H23 type)
-<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=26332 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/26332.jpg]+<br>{{Album|26332}}
Stabilizer connecting rod (updated 95W type) Stabilizer connecting rod (updated 95W type)
-<br><img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/54618-9xxxxa.jpg</img>+<br>{{Photo!|54618-9xxxxa.jpg}} {{Photo!|54618-9xxxxh.jpg|width=SM}}
- +
-<img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/54618-9xxxxh.jpg</img>+
Swaybar connecting rod (Moog) Swaybar connecting rod (Moog)
-<br>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/Parts/GK9222.jpg+<br>{{Photo!|GK9222.jpg|Datsun%201200/Parts}}
Delco poly Delco poly
-<br><img size=240>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/Parts/46G0016A.jpg</img> [http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/Parts/46G0016A.jpg full]+<br>{{Photo|46G0016A.jpg|Datsun%201200/Parts|width=SM}}
Damaged Damaged
-<br><img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/swaybar_connecting_rod.jpg</img> [http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/swaybar_connecting_rod.jpg full]+<br>{{Photo|swaybar_connecting_rod.jpg}}
= Aftermarket = = Aftermarket =
Line 81: Line 78:
CUSCO CUSCO
<br>23&#966; Part No. 204 311 A23 <br>23&#966; Part No. 204 311 A23
-<br>[http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/Parts/379x219-2009031800003-3.jpg http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/Parts/th_379x219-2009031800003-3.jpg]+<br>{{Photo|379x219-2009031800003-3.jpg|Datsun%201200/Parts}}
PEDDERS PEDDERS
Line 90: Line 87:
<br> * Front: #877, 7/8" (22mm) [http://swaybars.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=1300 $168 at swaybars.com] <br> * Front: #877, 7/8" (22mm) [http://swaybars.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=1300 $168 at swaybars.com]
<br> * Rear: #225, 5/8" (16mm) $132 <br> * Rear: #225, 5/8" (16mm) $132
-<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=24804 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/24804.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=24805 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/24805.jpg]+<br>{{Album|24805}} {{Album|24804}}
WHITELINE rear bar WHITELINE rear bar
-<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=7001 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/7001.jpg]+<br>{{Album|7001}}
== Mad Dat == == Mad Dat ==
Line 104: Line 101:
Also included in Maddat's engine conversion kit Also included in Maddat's engine conversion kit
-<br><img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/maddat_conversion.jpg</img> [http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/maddat_conversion.jpg full]+<br>{{Photo|maddat_conversion.jpg}}
<blockquote>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=384256#forumpost384256 demacoz]: MADDAT Sway bar .... $309 delivered to my door. The alternative was to get a custom bar made which could have been $50 less but I would be doing the running around, i would take the risk that it did not fit and it would not come with the fittings .... so, Really it was a no-brainer - thanks Scott</blockquote> <blockquote>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=384256#forumpost384256 demacoz]: MADDAT Sway bar .... $309 delivered to my door. The alternative was to get a custom bar made which could have been $50 less but I would be doing the running around, i would take the risk that it did not fit and it would not come with the fittings .... so, Really it was a no-brainer - thanks Scott</blockquote>
- +{{UploadPost|8710_4e85357a25bd9.jpg|384256}} {{UploadPost|8710_4e8535161bb3d.jpg|384256}}
-<img size=240>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/8710_4e85357a25bd9.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=384256#forumpost384256 click]+
- +
-<img size=240>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/8710_4e8535161bb3d.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=384256#forumpost384256 click]+
= B10 = = B10 =
Line 124: Line 118:
= Custom = = Custom =
Unorthodox setups on local race cars abound. Unorthodox setups on local race cars abound.
- 
-[http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=252570#forumpost252570 click] 
-<br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/11688_49f6be5f7d980.jpg</img> 
Installed the second anti roll bar. What a great mod, more or less, gained about 1sec on my rivals, missed 4th place for the day with 0:00.21 of a second. Installed the second anti roll bar. What a great mod, more or less, gained about 1sec on my rivals, missed 4th place for the day with 0:00.21 of a second.
 +<br>{{UploadPost|11688_49f6be5f7d980.jpg|252570}}
= Rear Bar Notes = = Rear Bar Notes =
Line 139: Line 131:
Coupe rear sway bar Coupe rear sway bar
-<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11641 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/11641.jpg] +<br>{{Thumb|11641}} {{Thumb|11640}} {{Thumb|11594}} {{Thumb|11565}}
-[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11640 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/11640.jpg] + 
-[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11594 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/11594.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11565 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/11565.jpg]+[[Category:Suspension Modifications]][[Category:Rear Axle And Rear Suspension]][[Category:Front Axle And Front Suspension]]{{End}}

Revision as of 08:20, 15 September 2016

The Anti-sway bar, also known as a swaybar, helps bumps on left side of the road from affecting right side of car and vice-versa. Nissan calls this the stabilizer.

Contents

Overview

The stabilizer is a spring from one side of the front suspension to the other. When one wheel goes over a bump, the end of the bar rises, resisting it (assisting the coil spring). But the bar is resisted by the other side of the car, thus overmuch Body Lean is prevented.

  • When travelling a straight, smooth road, the swaybar has zero effect
  • When one wheel goes over a bump, the swaybar acts as spring
  • When cornering, and weight shifts to one side, the swaybar counteracts it

So changing to a stiffer bar mainly affects cornering -- it corners flatter with less bad camber change. Therefore corners faster with less tire squeal. The stock coil springs are quite light, so a much stiffer bar works well and doesn't overpower a 1200.

When changing bars, raise the car so you can get under it easely BUT more importantly put blocks under the tyres so they are not hanging down. The positive camber of drooping wheels prevent you from getting the bar in. Make sure both sides are jacked evenly.

Datsun 1200 swaybar
12526_53f7d883b7b77.jpg 12526_53f7d8a6c7d65.jpg 12526_53f7d8d539fc5.jpg 12526_53f7d8ef5b6d2.jpg 12526_53f7d901e3a1f.jpg

Upgrade

B210 Sway Bar Upgrade

Bolt a B210 (1974-1978 Sunny) swaybar on. For around $20 and an hour of your time, it bolts in without any mods:

what a difference it makes I can't believe the difference I can finally go around corners at a decent speed. For anyone who's looking for a quick and cheap handling improvement this is the way to go.

4849.jpg
See Main Article: B210 Sway Bar Upgrade

Sizes

  • 16mm (5/8")
  • B110: 17mm
  • USA B210: 18mm with A13
  • USA B210: 20mm with A14
  • AUS B210: 20mm with A12
  • 22mm (7/8") USA aftermarket

Part Numbers

1200
54611-H1002 BAR-TORSION FRONT STABILIZER -7907
54611-G1601 STABILIZER-FRONT 7908- 
54611-H2300 Bar-torsion, front stabilizer GX
54617-H1001 BUSH-STABILIZER (2) $3.35 USD
54617-H2300 BUSHING-STABLIZER (2) GX
56125-18100 BUSH-RUBBER SHOCK ABSORBER (8) $3.18 USD
54618-95W25 ASSY-ROD CONNECTING FRONT STABILIZER $23.72 USD > 54618-H2300 
  08912-70810 M8 self-locking nut

B140 vs B110 GX bars
11883.jpgAlbum 11883

B210
54611-H5000 BAR-torsion, front stabilizer (Japan)
* 54617-H5000 BUSH-rubber 2
54611-H5200 BAR-torsion, front stabilizer GX
* 54617-H2300 BUSH-rubber 2 GX
54611-H2500 BAR-TORSION STABILIZER L14/L16
* 54617-H5000 BUSH-rubber 2 L14/L16
54611-H2500 BAR-TORSION STABILIZER USA
* 54617-H5000 BUSH-rubber 2 USA

Swaybar connecting rod (original H23 type)
26332.jpgAlbum 26332

Stabilizer connecting rod (updated 95W type)
54618-9xxxxa.jpg 54618-9xxxxh.jpg

Swaybar connecting rod (Moog)
GK9222.jpg

Delco poly
46G0016A.jpg

Damaged
swaybar_connecting_rod.jpg

Aftermarket

SELBY AUSTRALIA
http://www.selbysuspensionnsw.com.au/products

CUSCO
23φ Part No. 204 311 A23
379x219-2009031800003-3.jpg

PEDDERS

KMAC 22mm

ADDCO
* Front: #877, 7/8" (22mm) $168 at swaybars.com
* Rear: #225, 5/8" (16mm) $132
24805.jpgAlbum 24805 24804.jpgAlbum 24804

WHITELINE rear bar
7001.jpgAlbum 7001

Mad Dat

Maddat Motorsports sell Product No. SWB1200

  • 1200 Conversion Sway Bar Kit
  • Adjustable 22mm swaybar
  • Complete with D-bushes, saddles & link ends
  • Powdercoated black

Also included in Maddat's engine conversion kit
maddat_conversion.jpg

demacoz: MADDAT Sway bar .... $309 delivered to my door. The alternative was to get a custom bar made which could have been $50 less but I would be doing the running around, i would take the risk that it did not fit and it would not come with the fittings .... so, Really it was a no-brainer - thanks Scott

8710_4e85357a25bd9.jpgPost 384256 8710_4e8535161bb3d.jpgPost 384256

B10

Datsun 1000 rear anti-sway bar made by Whiteline
18551.jpgAlbum 18551

Bert custom-fabricated rear swaybar
17472.jpgAlbum 17472 17473.jpgAlbum 17473 17474.jpgAlbum 17474

B310

B310 bar does not fit B110. It is about 3mm thicker than the 1200 bar. 955mm fixing hole centres.

Custom

Unorthodox setups on local race cars abound.

Installed the second anti roll bar. What a great mod, more or less, gained about 1sec on my rivals, missed 4th place for the day with 0:00.21 of a second.
11688_49f6be5f7d980.jpgPost 252570

Rear Bar Notes

Sway bars really should only be used as a fine-tuning device.

If you put on a rear bar you will end up lifting an inside rear wheel under hard cornering (unless you've got an LSD). Quite frankly you would be better to maybe throw another top leaf into the springs along with some heavier front coils.
SCCA Racer Tom: To stiff a rear bar will have the inside rear wheel unloading and cuase excessive wheel spin on corner exits , even with the stock A12. Next and more importantly sway bars are meant to be installed as a set , if you slap a rear bar on with the stock front your car will oversteer wildly. This may work fine at an Autocross but anything over 50 MPH the car will be a handful.Also keep in mind that big sway bars will affect the suspension compliance. My 1200 racer uses a 7/8 front and a 5/8 rear both are from Addco.

Coupe rear sway bar
11641.jpgAlbum click to view 11640.jpgAlbum click to view 11594.jpgAlbum click to view 11565.jpgAlbum click to view 

¤