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[Datsun 1200 encyclopedia]

Brake Swaps

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Category: Brake Modifications

For general brake improvements, see Brake Upgrades.


Contents

Better Brakes

Here are some considerations of a braking upgrade:

  • Bigger caliper and brake pads will slow down car more quickly
  • Larger-diameter disc brake rotor will improve braking power and sensitivity
  • Vented rotors will improve repeated stops (less brake fade because the rotors can shed heat faster)
  • Coilover swaps permit wider tires

Notes:

  • Slotted/drilled rotors are unnecessary and can often weaken the rotors, but may be useful in some racing applications (check with your brake vendor for their suggestions)
  • Large tires will improve brake contact patch thus are a huge part of increased braking performance
  • A dual master cylinder is safer than a single one. See Brake Upgrades.
  • Front and rear caliper/cylinder ratios should match the application of the car weight bias, brake and tire sizes (See Brake Proportioning). Otherwise, a brake proportioning valve will be needed to prevent premature lockup
  • Bigger tires. Yes, this has a big effect on brakes, because more rubber on the road lets you stop faster before the car skids. 1200 accept 185-width on front, 205-width on back (if the wheels have appropriate backspacing)

Slotted Rotors

RDA can supply standard 1200 rotors with slots if you ask for them. Mine cost me $290 for the pair.

Some say slotting and drilling have no performance benefit but can increase the likelihood of cracking. But they look schmick.

1200 Disc Swap

If your 1200 has front drum brakes, take note that disc brakes are:

  • easier to work on
  • More resistant to fading -- safer after repeated stops (they dissipate heat far better)

Swapping 1200 drums for discs is easy.

See main article: 1200 Disc Brake Swap

front brake upgrade 1200 ute i used a sunny strut leg unbolted the disc off the hub and bolted a cc lancer vented disc to that and then a used a 4pot caliper off a 80mod volvo which bolts strait onto the sunny strut leg

front brake upgrade 1200 ute

  • 1200/120Y struts
  • B310 (sunny) hubs, outer edge turned down to 140mm

Better Brakes for HB210

See Aerospace Brake Kit for A14-powered B210 struts on Ratsun.net

http://community.ratsun.net/topic/40004-datsun-front-aerospace-brake-kit-installation

These fit the 2" North America B210 strut/hub assembly (same as PB210 Japan).

Brake Sizing

Do you need a different size master cylinder? Or a brake booster?

See main article: Brake Sizing

309 mm Brakes

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* Rotors: AP floating 309mm
* Calipers: PFC
* Hats: SH ex-NASCAR rears
* Redrilled to 4-stud 

Better Brakes for B310 and A10

Large 268 mm disc brake rotors can be adapted to B310 (Sunny/210) or A10 (Stanza/510) struts - and still fit over 13" wheels.

See main article: S110 Brakes

280ZX Brake Upgrade

Upgrade your 1200's brake to large 258 mm (10.15") brakes -- and keep the lightweight 1200 struts! No machining required.

See main article: 280ZX Brake Upgrade

BMW E30 Brakes

Bolt E30 vented disc rotors to your 1200 struts. Minimal machining required.

See main article: E30 Brakes

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S13 Brakes

13 (1989-1993 Silvia, 180SX, 200SX) brakes can be modified for use on Datsun 1200 struts. With an adapter plate (Kev Rowley special) you can use Silvia calipers and rotors on a 1200/120Y disc brake strut. .

See main article: S13 Brakes

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Better Brakes for Z/ZX Struts

After you have installed Z or ZX struts, you may be interested in fitting bigger brakes to them.

See main article: Better Brakes for Z/ZX Struts

4-piston Calipers

Compact, Heavy iron
* MK63 Brakes
* Toyota 4-piston Calipers
* Volvo 4-piston Calipers
Light Alloy
* Nissan 4-piston Calipers
* RX-7 4-piston calipers
Caliper Bolt Spacing
3.0 inch (76.2 mm)  120Y/B310
78 mm               510/610,Volvo
84 mm               B110?
3.5 inch (88.9 mm)  A10/810/R31/S130, Hilux
130 mm              B12 caliper
160 mm              RX-7 FC
100 mm              DR30,R32,R33,Z31,S15

MK63 Racing Brakes

See Nissan competition MK63 Brakes

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Volvo 4-piston Calipers

Volvo 4 piston calipers from a 240DL wagon bolt to the A10/810/B310 strut fine, but have different style flare fittings. Use 245mm B310 rotors (non-vented) or possibly S13 250mm vented discs.

There are several kinds of Volvo 4pot calipers (not all Volvo 4-pistons calipers will fit)

  • Front caliper 38 mm bores 1976-1993 in Girling, ATE, or Reb versions
  • Volvo 240/242/244/245/264/265
    • 14.3mm solid rotor version (263 mm disc)
    • 22 mm vented rotor version (263 mm disc)
  • Rear caliper

RockAuto.com

Works with stock size B310 245mm rotors
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250 mm S13 Brakes would probably work with caliper spacers (precision washers) about 5mm.

Subaru Leone vented rotors have been suggested but the 242 mm version are just a tad too small for these calipers.

Larger rotors can be used with an adapter to space the caliper farther from the spindle.

Hilux 4-piston Calipers

Toyoda Hi-lux and Landcruisers come with 4-piston calipers. Can be fitted over a variety of rotors.

See main article: Hilux Calipers

Nissan 4-piston Calipers

Non-ribbed Cast iron: see MK63 Brakes
Ribbed Light Alloy: see R32 Brakes

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Nissan Alloy Twin-Piston Caliper

See R32 Brakes#Nissan Alloy Twin-Piston Caliper

Lightweight twin spot calipers from R32/R34 Skyline rear caliper for either 1000 or 1200 race front brake conversion. The rotors it uses are perhaps the lightest 297mm rotor around.

Commodore Caliper

GM Holden Commodore/Calais has a popular caliper for swaps, as it is the same bolt-pattern as the larger Datsun strut caliper and is large yet made of light alloy.

Holden Commodore
VL 1986-1988
VR 1993-1994
VT 1997-2000 extra-large caliper

VL Turbo caliper with 275mm rotors (See #Magna Rotor)
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276x26mm mazda 929 disc with VR calais caliper
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GM Commodore VT (PBR) caliper bolts directly to Datsun 610(180B), B310 Sunny and 240K struts.
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Holden Commodore VT disc and caliper on a Z strut
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Magna Rotor

A10 Stanza/B310 Sunny strut with Mitsubishi Magna/Verada/Diamante rotors.

You can use GM Holden Commodore VL Turbo caliper with 275mm rotors
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  1. order the blank, undrilled discs (DBA425)
  2. have them drilled to suit the hub bolt pattern
  3. also have the center hole was machined out
  4. use a 1.5mm thick washer between the caliper and the strut (for 180B struts, may differ for 1200 struts)

Or use corona hubs, 250 rotoro and 60-series cruiser calipers, fit under 13" wheels with a 1mm grind
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250mm rotors and 4pots under 13" rim

sunny struts, swapped left to right with Mistubishi Verada vented rotors and commodore calipers. I've also heard of rx7 4-spot calipers being used. All this fits under 13" rims.

sunny struts ,magna discs, girlock calipers...

Caliper is HZ holden PBR alloy (e.g early Holden Kingswood) with Verada disks. You will need 15" rims or bigger to fit over this change.
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Datsun 610 (180B) vs Verada disc
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Verada disc is 276mm x 24mm and is vented

size comparison
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Verada rotors on Datsun 240K hubs/struts with Holden Commodore caliper.
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A10 Stanza struts/hubs, Mitsubishi Verada rotors and RX7 calipers fit under 15" wheels
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Datsun 810

810 rotors are solid discs. Vented discs like the 280ZX swap are superior for fade-resistant, which is important for racing and for mountain driving.

See main article: 810 Brakes

Datsun 910

Datsun model series 910 was produced 1979-1986. In some countries it was marketed as "Bluebird". In the United States it was badged as "810" or "Maxima".

See main articles:
* 910 Brakes
* Disc Over Drum

Nissan U12

Nissan U12 (Blubird/Pintara/Stanza) 1987-1992
Australian production Nissan Pintara U12 1989-1992
* CA20E (GLi, Executive)
* KA24E (T,Ti,TRX)

257 mm x 22 mm rotors: See S13 Brakes#257 Rotor

Uses the same rotors as:
* Japan S14 some models
*  USA  S14 some models

Nissan B12

Nissan Sunny/Sentra B12 (1990-1994) - swap is same as 250mm S13 Brakes except that B12 uses:

  • 4x100 PCD, so the rotors need to be redrilled for 4x113 PCD.
  • height is 4mm different, so different adapter plate is needed
  • Can use the B12 calipers per below photos
B13 4x100 PCD
B13.SR20DE.FRONT
  250x18x45.32 hub 61 
  257x26x45.2		
B13.SR20DE.REAR 
  234.x7x39.5 
  258x9x68
B13.GA16DE 
  210x8(Euro)
  240x12(USA)
  240x18(Euro)

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Nissan B14

1995-1999 Nissan B14 (Sunny/Sentra/Lucino/200SX)

These brakes are smaller than B310 brakes

USA with GA16DE engine
Front rotor: 232 mm vented XE
             247 mm vented GXE
Rear rotor: 234 mm solid
Centric 121.42060
232 mm
height: 45.2
thickness: 18
Hub reg: 61 mm
bolt circle 4x100 PCD
weight: 8.5 lb
Centric 121.42061
246.7 mm
height: 45.2
thickness: 18
Hub reg: 61 mm
bolt circle 4x100 PCD
weight: 9 lb
Rear rotor: 234 mm solid
Centric 121.42054
thickness: 7 mm
height: 39.5
pcd: 4 x 100

Vanette

GC22 Nissan Nomad

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* 910 Struts
* 910 Bluebird S1\S2 bolt on disc hub
* GC22 Nomad Vented rotors (250mm)
* GC22 Nomad calipers
* approximately 7mm spacers to align caliper with disc 

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Ford

Datsun 2" struts with Ford Falcon 11" ventilated rotors and Commodore PBR calipers
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Sunny 2" strut with Falcon discs and VK Commodore calipers
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1972-1988 Falcon XB to Falcon XF
PCD: 5 x 114.3 mm (5 x 4-1/2 inch)
Rotor: DBA 107 287x24 mm (11.3"), 75 mm height
Wheel Bearings
L68149  (OUTER) 2.3280" x 1.3775" x .6250"
LM12749 (INNER) 1.7810" x  .8656" x .6550"
These fit the larger Falcon stub axle, replace with Datsun bearings 

Uses the common Nissan/Ford 5-stud bolt pattern
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aca18t said "press the bearing shells out press in your Datsun ones".

wheel bearings
* 1975-1977 (late) 180B
* 1977-1981 200B
LM11949 1.7810" x  .750" x .6650"
LM67048 2.3280" x 1.250" x .6600"
These fit the late 180B stub axle

Late Datsun 610 struts use the A01 Hub, same as Datsun 810, late 710, GB211, and A10 Stanza front drum hub (Stanza disc hub uses smaller bearings).

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Brake Swap Notes

Twin piston sumitomo calipers for sale, go straight onto stanza struts with the use of larger 200b or 240k discs...early 200b discs are 253mm, about 10-15mm bigger than stanza ones, but are offset to suit the twinspots everything is a straight bolt in 9592.jpg PIGDOG boofheads with slotted 240k discs 9585.jpg

'universal' type coilovers for a Civic donated the springs

200b and stanza are solid discs.

feral's vented package using modified 240K twin-spot calipers. http://www.datrats.com.au/BRAKES.html

CA18DET Wagon is go i took an r31 strut, and cut the spring perch off (the diameter of the spring is far too big to fit up the 1200 strut tower) and while i was at it chopped out about 2 inches from the actual length of the strut to accommodate some koni yellow shocks which i picked up cheap and had rebuilt (which is also cheap to have done). so the front end stiffness is adjustable with a little knob. because i had them rebuilt, i asked for the soft setting to have a hard rebound for goodweight transfer when i go to the drags. the springs are just some pedders lowered made for a stanza which i modified. it is just running the standard r31 vented disk and caliper. both of which are huge for a 1200.

you can also equalise the track by fitting a BW KE30 corolla diff, which is 30mm wider than the 1200 diff. then you have a car with 30mm wider track - back AND front - for better handling again! get the handbrake handle and cable too if you do this.

Subaru vented disc on 1200 hubs fit under 13" wheels
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GM Commodore VT (PBR) caliper bolts directly to Datsun 610(180B), B310 Sunny and 240K struts (See #Commodore Caliper)
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Holden Commodore VT disc and caliper on a Z strut
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XB-XF Falcon 11" rotors (Nissan 5-stud pattern) with Commodore PBR single piston calipers (See Ford section)
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Caliper bracket for VL Turbo caliper & disc on Bluebird strut
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Modified 240k struts to suit Commodore discs and calipers
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Sunny strut with Falcon discs and VK Commodore calipers (See Ford section)
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300mm VT disc, with an AU Series 3 twin piston caliper
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Stanza strut with modified Commodore rotors and calipers
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RX7 calipers and Stanza strut
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276x26mm mazda 929 disc with VR calais caliper
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Stanza strut with large Vanette vented rotor and Skyline caliper
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1200 spindle welded to 510 strut tube with Wilwood Dynapro single caliper and Wilwood 10.25" two-piece disc
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Honda caliper over Toyoda disc with center mouth by Mitsubishi/Nissan
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200B rotors with Corona calipers on Stanza/200B strut
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Stanza Hub, 296mm disc from DR910 (?), RX7 S4 calipers
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Rear Disc Brakes

The stock rear brakes are fairly good, a large (for such a light car) 8" x 1.75 brake shoe. Make sure the brakes and clean and adjusted correctly. Using a performance pad will improve it.

But for coolness sake... read the article Rear Disc Brakes.

Datsun 1000

Gary Hamilton managed to squeeze RX7 4-spots on his 1000 sport sedan which uses 13" wheels, but don't ask me how! Gary Hamiltons 1000 Coupe