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= Overview = | = Overview = | ||
Stock 1200 strut tops protrude above the tower: | Stock 1200 strut tops protrude above the tower: | ||
- | <br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/24195.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=24195 album] | + | <br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/24195.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=24195 album] |
The stock tops are non-adjustable regarding [[Wheel alignment]]. | The stock tops are non-adjustable regarding [[Wheel alignment]]. | ||
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123 mm Circle (107 mm stud to stud) is the same as Datsun 510(1600), A10 (Stanza/510), Nissan Silvia, R31, etc. | 123 mm Circle (107 mm stud to stud) is the same as Datsun 510(1600), A10 (Stanza/510), Nissan Silvia, R31, etc. | ||
- | <img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/10017.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10017 album] | + | <img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/10017.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10017 album] |
[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=8925 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/8925.jpg] | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=8925 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/8925.jpg] | ||
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= Comparison = | = Comparison = | ||
Strut tops: B210 (left) vs B110 (right) | Strut tops: B210 (left) vs B110 (right) | ||
- | <br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/10021.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10021 album] | + | <br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/10021.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10021 album] |
<br>The B110 strut tops are different from B210 & B310 tops. They latter have a higher profile and raise the car up, so use the B110 tops. If there is nothing poking up through the hole in the strut tower,then it's "wrong" for a 1200. | <br>The B110 strut tops are different from B210 & B310 tops. They latter have a higher profile and raise the car up, so use the B110 tops. If there is nothing poking up through the hole in the strut tower,then it's "wrong" for a 1200. | ||
Fitting 1200 tops into 120Y lowers the car 2" | Fitting 1200 tops into 120Y lowers the car 2" | ||
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10022 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/10022.jpg] | + | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10022 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/10022.jpg] |
= Covers = | = Covers = | ||
TIP: You can use rubber covers from an early 90's Mazda 323 w/ electric adjustable suspension. Thse covers sits perfectly over a 1200 strut tower, even with large 1200 strut tops or camber-adjustable strut tops. | TIP: You can use rubber covers from an early 90's Mazda 323 w/ electric adjustable suspension. Thse covers sits perfectly over a 1200 strut tower, even with large 1200 strut tops or camber-adjustable strut tops. | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10017 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/10017.jpg] B310 tops | + | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10017 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/10017.jpg] B310 tops |
= Part Numbers = | = Part Numbers = | ||
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Adjustable in one dimension (camber only): | Adjustable in one dimension (camber only): | ||
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=1249 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/1249.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=1255 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/1255.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=9599 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/9599.jpg] | + | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=1249 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/1249.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=1255 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/1255.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=9599 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/9599.jpg] |
Two dimension adjustable (camber + caster): | Two dimension adjustable (camber + caster): | ||
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2471 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2471.jpg] | + | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2471 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/2471.jpg] |
Bolt circle: 123mm | Bolt circle: 123mm | ||
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See main article: [[Camber]] | See main article: [[Camber]] | ||
- | http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/352.jpg http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/355.jpg | + | http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/352.jpg http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/355.jpg |
== DIY == | == DIY == | ||
For about $20, you can make camber tops. Buy a 5mm (1/4") circle 6" in diameter. Fit into strut tower, and mark the holes. Drill the three holes. Drill the center hole off-center for extra negative camber. Mount using the stock strut top bearing. | For about $20, you can make camber tops. Buy a 5mm (1/4") circle 6" in diameter. Fit into strut tower, and mark the holes. Drill the three holes. Drill the center hole off-center for extra negative camber. Mount using the stock strut top bearing. | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=1259 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/1259.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11243 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/11243.jpg] | + | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=1259 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/1259.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11243 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/11243.jpg] |
These won't have the stock rubber anti-shock mounting. | These won't have the stock rubber anti-shock mounting. | ||
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You can also drill the center hole a little rearward of center for extra castor, but with large-diameter tires it runs the risk of pulling the tyre in to the footwell. See [[Castor]]. | You can also drill the center hole a little rearward of center for extra castor, but with large-diameter tires it runs the risk of pulling the tyre in to the footwell. See [[Castor]]. | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10279 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/10279.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=6743 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/6743.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2289 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2289.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2290 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2290.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2291 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2291.jpg] | + | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10279 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/10279.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=6743 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/6743.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2289 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/2289.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2290 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/2290.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2291 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/2291.jpg] |
== Noltec == | == Noltec == | ||
- | NOLTEC makes camber tops for Datsun B110, B120, 120Y & B310. The "bell above" style is recommended as the bell below raises the car up. | + | NOLTEC makes camber tops for Datsun B110, B120, 120Y & B310. |
N44071 polyester bushed for street use (bell above) | N44071 polyester bushed for street use (bell above) | ||
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<img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/NoltecTops002.jpg</img> [http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/NoltecTops002.jpg full] | <img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/NoltecTops002.jpg</img> [http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/NoltecTops002.jpg full] | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2467 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2467.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2468 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2468.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2469 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2469.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2470 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2470.jpg] | + | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2467 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/2467.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2468 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/2468.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2469 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/2469.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2470 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/2470.jpg] |
== Cusco == | == Cusco == | ||
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* Comes with Collar: Type 10 | * Comes with Collar: Type 10 | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11853 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/11853.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11181 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/11181.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=9202 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/9202.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=3042 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/3042.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=3043 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/3043.jpg] | + | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11853 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/11853.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11181 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/11181.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=9202 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/9202.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=3042 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/3042.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=3043 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/3043.jpg] |
== Aftermarket == | == Aftermarket == | ||
- | S13 camber tops fit straight into the 3 holes, get the thread sleeve modified to fit standard strut rod thread size as S13's run a larger shock. The only downside is that as the 1200 strut top reaches up through the strut tower 2 inches, you would be then mounting the shocker end 2 inches lower using these (and most) adjustable tops. This means you have lost two inches of shocker travel in the bump direction. So you must lower the car back down. Easy enough if using the tops with adjustable lower spring seat. | + | S13 camber tops fit straight into the 3 holes. The only downside is that as the 1200 strut top reaches up through the strut tower 2 inches, you would be then mounting the shocker end 2 inches lower using adjustable tops. This means you have lost two inches of shocker travel in the bump direction. |
- | They mount 180 degrees the wrong way so when set for negative camber in a 1200 that would be the setting for positive camber in an s13. | + | Camber tops raise the car about 2 inches, so after fitting, you must lower the car back down by [[Lowering#Lowering_the_spring_perch|lowering the spring perch]]. This is OK with otherwise stock suspension, but if your car is already lowered it is recommended to use a shorter [[Strut Insert Part Numbers|strut insert]] but which still has a full range of travel. |
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10035 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/10035.jpg] | + | |
+ | Generic Nissan tops mount 180 degrees the wrong way so when set for negative camber in a 1200 that would be the setting for positive camber in an s13. | ||
+ | <br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/10035.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10035 album] | ||
<img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/thumbs/8427_4b0f59be0a461.jpg</img> | <img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/thumbs/8427_4b0f59be0a461.jpg</img> | ||
[http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=391719#forumpost391719 discussion] | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=391719#forumpost391719 discussion] | ||
- | |||
- | So it is recommended, that when using aftermarket camber tops, to use a shorter [[Strut Insert Part Numbers|strut insert]] but which still has a full range of travel. | ||
You might have to do this to get the top studs come through. | You might have to do this to get the top studs come through. | ||
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The strut rod may not go through the top hat far enough to get the nut on. So use a shanked nut (as come with aftermarket kits). | The strut rod may not go through the top hat far enough to get the nut on. So use a shanked nut (as come with aftermarket kits). | ||
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=9599 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/9599.jpg] | + | <br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/9599.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=9599 album] |
<br>This shanked nut also fits the large hole, and centers the small strut rod. | <br>This shanked nut also fits the large hole, and centers the small strut rod. | ||
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sssute prototype | sssute prototype | ||
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=8482 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/8482.jpg] | + | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=8482 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/8482.jpg] |
S13 | S13 | ||
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20792 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20792.jpg] | + | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20792 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/20792.jpg] |
Andos | Andos | ||
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=17408 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/17408.jpg] | + | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=17408 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/17408.jpg] |
rock1200 | rock1200 | ||
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=12883 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/12883.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=12882 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/12882.jpg] | + | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=12883 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/12883.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=12882 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/12882.jpg] |
= Photo Index = | = Photo Index = | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10005 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/10007.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11182 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/11182.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=12037 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/12037.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=14796 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/14796.jpg] | + | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10005 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/10007.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=11182 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/11182.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=12037 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/12037.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=14796 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/14796.jpg] |
[[Category:Front Axle And Front Suspension]] | [[Category:Front Axle And Front Suspension]] |
Revision as of 21:43, 9 November 2015
The Datsun 1200 strut top (top hat) is a rubber insulator for the the strut, and utilizes a bearing for easy rotation for the steering system. Most aftermarket adjustable strut tops do not include an insulator, so are not recommended for a street or off-road vehicle.
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Also see
Overview
Stock 1200 strut tops protrude above the tower:
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The stock tops are non-adjustable regarding Wheel alignment.
The strut top consists of the Insulator, Bearing and Oil Seal
Measurements
Bolt circle PCD 123 mm (4.84 inch) stud to stud center 107 mm (4.21 inch) stud nuts 08911-10810 NUT-HEX M8 x 1.25 tower hole about 80 mm strut rod nut 08912-34210 NUT-HEX SELF LOCK M12 strut rod hole
123 mm Circle (107 mm stud to stud) is the same as Datsun 510(1600), A10 (Stanza/510), Nissan Silvia, R31, etc.
Comparison
Strut tops: B210 (left) vs B110 (right)
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The B110 strut tops are different from B210 & B310 tops. They latter have a higher profile and raise the car up, so use the B110 tops. If there is nothing poking up through the hole in the strut tower,then it's "wrong" for a 1200.
Fitting 1200 tops into 120Y lowers the car 2"
Covers
TIP: You can use rubber covers from an early 90's Mazda 323 w/ electric adjustable suspension. Thse covers sits perfectly over a 1200 strut tower, even with large 1200 strut tops or camber-adjustable strut tops.
Part Numbers
54320-H1000 INSULATOR-STRUT MOUNTING (2) 08915-53810 WASHER-PLAIN M8 (6) 08915-13810 WASHER-SPRING M8 (6) 08911-10810 NUT-HEX M8X1.25 (6) 54325-H1000 BEARING-STRUT MOUNTING (2)
Camber Tops
Aftermarket strut tops (camber plates) are adjustable in one or two dimensions. Unfortunately, most do not include an insulator and so will transmit shock and vibration to the body.
Adjustable in one dimension (camber only):
Two dimension adjustable (camber + caster):
Bolt circle: 123mm
Datsun Competition
The Datsun Competition suspension manual recommends slotting the tower bolt holes for camber adjustability.
See main article: Camber
DIY
For about $20, you can make camber tops. Buy a 5mm (1/4") circle 6" in diameter. Fit into strut tower, and mark the holes. Drill the three holes. Drill the center hole off-center for extra negative camber. Mount using the stock strut top bearing.
These won't have the stock rubber anti-shock mounting.
You can also drill the center hole a little rearward of center for extra castor, but with large-diameter tires it runs the risk of pulling the tyre in to the footwell. See Castor.
Noltec
NOLTEC makes camber tops for Datsun B110, B120, 120Y & B310.
N44071 polyester bushed for street use (bell above) N44071s Solid mounted for track use (bell above)
NOLTEC N44016 polyester (for street) bell below NOLTEC N44016S solid (for clubsport) bell below
Trim the sections of the centre plate that are hanging out.....then you will get plenty of adjustment.
"Bell above" vs "bell below" styles
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Cusco
Cusco 204 410 A is a pillowball top hat for Datsun 1200.
* Camber Adjustable Type * Can be used with OE spring * +30mm Vehicle Ride Height raised * Comes with Pillow Nut: H (M12x1.25mm, Depth 5mm) * Comes with Collar: Type 10
Aftermarket
S13 camber tops fit straight into the 3 holes. The only downside is that as the 1200 strut top reaches up through the strut tower 2 inches, you would be then mounting the shocker end 2 inches lower using adjustable tops. This means you have lost two inches of shocker travel in the bump direction.
Camber tops raise the car about 2 inches, so after fitting, you must lower the car back down by lowering the spring perch. This is OK with otherwise stock suspension, but if your car is already lowered it is recommended to use a shorter strut insert but which still has a full range of travel.
Generic Nissan tops mount 180 degrees the wrong way so when set for negative camber in a 1200 that would be the setting for positive camber in an s13.
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You might have to do this to get the top studs come through.
post
They also need a rose joint spacer between bearing and tophat to allow spherical bearing in tophat to allow movement!
The strut rod may not go through the top hat far enough to get the nut on. So use a shanked nut (as come with aftermarket kits).
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This shanked nut also fits the large hole, and centers the small strut rod.
Adjustable strut tops are often available on eBay, or some buy them from TRD. Most Datsun/Nissan use the same bolt circle, but some use larger diameter bolts or larger strut shaft diameter (modify as necessary):
* eBay * TRD * Cusco